avidemux barely off lips: mencoder -forceidx -oac copy -ovc copy dvdoutmplayer.mpg -o yo3.mpg is unseekable ffmpeg -i dvdoutmplayer.mpg -sameq yo.mpg took forever, grabbed wrong audio track :P mplayer os x extended has the same "where am I?" on this DVD problem mplayer has. monsters' inc. plays fine with CCCP+WMP in XP. No 'where am I?' syndrome. DVD player conclusions: VLC's are all pretty consistent VLC DVD playback can be up to at least 30s off [!] mplayers are at the 29.97 offset I think mplayer.exe's are pretty consistent smplayer? WMP is pretty close, but internally inconsistent by some odd powerdvd is pretty close but internally inconsistent by some odd mplayer grab seems right on [played back with VLC] VLC grabs it fine WMP on handbrake is 29.97 speeds: ffmpeg: vertex 2: 105MB/s old HD desktop 58 MB/s avidemux from "normal" rips are still off frame-rate wise somehow... "wretch" and "me" were visually on, WMP, VLC, VLC on a VLC grab was either on or really really close, mplayer is right on with the DVD handbrake file: segfault appears that 29.97 is closer to "wall clock time" and DVD players tell you 1:00:00 when it has taken you 1:00:04 in reality. at 1:00:00 wristwatch was about 4s ahead LODO verify by watching through whole film I wonder if mplayer is just a little bit ahead, or internally inconsistent based on poor seeking for GOP's or some odd...it's either right ahead or right on? appears smplayer is "like a second" or something behind mplayer, and mplayer doesn't quite agree with VLC but is pretty close, and mplayer.exe seems internally consistent. are all windows GUI wrapper players internally incosistent, except maybe VLC which is still "a tidge off"? OSOH: mplayer.exe new dvdoutmplayer.mpg: 1:00:00 I once [w]as lost but now some mplayer.exe's may have been Sherpya-SVN-r33216-4.2.5 versus Sherpya-SVN-r30369-4.2.5 for smplayer they seem pretty close though... TODO mencoder splits versus ffmpeg on these ? +- vlc versus mplayer grabs...hmm...except we want GOP friendly... smplayer's mplayer.exe on mplayer file: 1:00:00 I once [w]as lost but now smplayer's mplayer.exe on VLC file: unknown timing (no times), but lips are in sync smplayer's mplayer.exe DVD: 1:00:00 I was wa[a]s lost like perfect --- I was w[a]as lost -- I once [wa]as lost like every time the w, or just right after it... 3/4 of the way through the w WMP on handbrake: 1:00:00 I was wa[a]s lost WMP on VLC file: 1:00:00 that saved a [wr]etch like me --- that save[d] a wretch like me [huh? it's guessing, like VLC does?] WMP on mplayer file: cannot seek smplayer DVD 1:00:00 once was [lo]st avidemux on mplayer grab: sound ok, lips off avidemux on VLC grab: 1:00:00 once wa[a]s lost audio, video appears messed up lips [looks like they are really grabbing raw data] smplayer playing VLC grab: lips are in sync searching is "odd" 1:00:00 once was [l]ost --- once was []lost --- once wa[s] lost mplayer.exe playing any VLC grab: the timing are all messed up, starting at 47453, but it appeared to be right one somewhere "once was lost" the mplayer grab can be frame accurate, with matching md5's (I think it's actually mpg) dvdoutmplayer1.avi dvdoutmplayer.mpg 87402c45126207884bacc46e6f681722 vlc grab appears to have the exact same file size, different md5sum's [!] dvdout.vlc3.mpg vlcdvdout2.mpg 1b32659b94ea01b45e2860809db49539 *dvdout.7.mpg vlc eb4ff70f8bfb1147294d218242492322 *dvdout.8.mpg vlc bdcfadd21f09de4de011694af75b67cd *dvdout.vlc3.mpg # they seem to all work fine... vlc doesn't have timing replay info for dvdout.9.mpg (its own grab) just approximates dvdoutmplayer2 seems corrupt (garbled, too short, green) WMP dvdoutmplayer1.avi works (doesn't know how to seek), VLC works 29.97 smplayer from dvdoutmplayer1.avi: 1:00:00 once was [l]ost --- once was []lost (because of smplayer?) seeks fine VLC from mplayer grab: 1:00:00 once wa[a]s lost VLC reading OSOH from handbrake m4v: 1:00:00 I once w[a]s lost but now --- I once [w]as lost but now am found 1:53:11 sum [?] (accurate with mplayer!) smplayer from DVDD: 1:00:00 I once was [l]ost but now avidemux reading OSOH from mplayer grab, also from vlc grab: 1:00:00 accurate wa[a]s lost audio, video way off LOL copy and paste also inaccurate avidemux reading OSOH from handbrake: 1:00:00 accurate wa[a]s lost ffmpeg reading OSOH from handbrake m4v: 1:00:00 I once [was] lost but now (no audio though but looks like it would be...) VLC reading dvdoutmplayer.mpg, handbrake m4v: 1:00:00 accurate wa[a]s lost All DVD's below this: Mac's DVD Player total: 1:53:04 (almost 5 I think) [barely shows 5 at the beginning] 1:00 once was lost but now[ow] am found, possible slight hiccup immediately after mac mplayer: total: 6791.6 1:53:11.6 1:00:00 that saved a wretch like me, I once [w]as lost other "normal DVD player" this is at about my 3604.7 VLC mac: at beginning, seemed to think it had 1:53:05 left negative sum: 1:53:04 but it seemed to be cheating...I think it was cheating near the end, too :P 1:00:00 saved a wret[ch] like me Emerson DVD player: barely displayed the 4 of 1:53:04 1:00 once was lost but no[w] am found VLC XP 1.1.7 1:53:05 total 1:00:00 saved a wr[ehhh]tch like me 59:49'ish on others I think. MPCHC 1:53:05 total 1:00:00 once was lost but n[ow] am found beginning of oh on now WMP CCCP 1:53:05 total 1:00:00 once was lost but [n]ow am found [quite close to above I think, might be normal] smplayer XP: 1:53:05 total [!] fake total unable to seek [crash] mplayer XP 1:00:00 that saved a wretch like me, I once [w]as lost sum: 6791.6 (= 1:53:11.5) mac mplayer extended: sum: -1:53:05, in reality went to 1:53:11 :P 1:00:00 that saved a wretch like me, I once [w]as lost [should be 3.6 off per hour, 6.8 for osoh's sum, is 6.6 'ish :P] WMP windows 7 DVD: -1:53:05 1:00:00 once was lost but n[o]ow am found ended with last second at 1:53:03...interesting. powerdvd 8: ended with last second at 1:53:03...interesting. 1:00:00 once was lost but no[o]w am found VLC 7 1.1.9 DVD that saved a wre[tch] like me exhibits same odd lagging timestamps at end. tron WMP 15: knock knock, hey carl shows something, [switch scenes] seek with WMP itself seems about 10s off late, but consistent 60: and not just for me...[] what do you mean? 2:00:00 Beau Garrett last just barely all left of straight center mplayer: 15=900: see above exactly 60=3600: the golden ticket the way out [] "not just for me" is about 3603 2:00=7200-4749=2451: bruce boxlightner barely left, half way to next 2458 is beau garret done about VLC 15: knock [knock] hey carl 60: so it's open now[] not for long 1:00:26 not just for me 2:00:00 james fran middle boxlietner 1:59:55 beau 2:00:04 powerdvd: 15: hey carl [switch scenes] 60: not just for me [] what do you mean 2:00:00 beau garrett stage left Jonah: 15, 30, 45 k-lite XP mplayer: 15: before you [eat] 30: a man that .. can count on to deliver his message yes [well] 45: big smile from after duck DvdSample (k-lite xp) 15: before [you] eat 30: a man that .. can count on to deliver his message yes [well] 45: big smile from after duck VLC 15: and [if] you follow god's commands (early?) 30: something about nineveh makes you feel sad [I dont' really ] want to talk about it [?] 45: fire 3, I'm coming traveling buddy [flash back to them] (in wmp this is at 44:27) smplayer, mplayer 30369 15: wash your hands [before] you eat 30: a man that .. can count on to deliver his message yes [well] 45: big smile from after duck hulu 15: wash your hands [before] you eat 30: a man that .. can count on to deliver his message yes [well] 45: just before the big grin from duck youtube jonah: appears lower quality? 15: wash your hands before you [eat] 30: yes well [you] and ... 45: big smile, turns [to his right] after duck powerdvd 8: 15: wash your hands before you [eat] --- wash your hands [before] you eat --- wash your [hands] before you eat LOL 30: can count on to deliver his messages yes [] well --- yes well ... you and [] ... are like peas in a pod ai ai 45: big smile [] he turns to his right --- turns [to his right] -- [] turns to his right wmp windows 7: [wmp feels slightly unstable timing-wise] 15: before [] you eat --- before [you] eat 30: yes []well --- yes well[] 45: turns [to his right] --- turns to his right[] TODO jonah blu ray timings windows 7 netflix jonah 15: be a friend say your prayers, heavens knows a heart that cares, taht is why I've come to share a mes[sage] from the Lord (at times it's [mes]sage, once it was [from]) chrome at work: a[]message, a messa[ge] from the Lord, message [] from the Lord, [share] a message from the Lord, a message[] from the Lord IE at work: [fr]om the Lord, a [mes]sage from the Lord, [fr]om the Lord. 30: like two humps on a camel, you always sway the same way, humor runs in my family, my uncle was a [big] star IE at work: humor runs very deep in my family[] my uncle was, my uncle was[] a big star, my [uncle] was a big star 45: (LIKE 12 seconds after the big grin) (big smile, next scene) blue fades in [oooh] IE at work: 2 seconds after blue light fades in * 3 chrome: 1.5 seconds as blue light fades in forever strong (chrome work netflix): 15: I'm sorry, are you in the home add me now ... []almost, almost(two spaces)[], almost(one space)[] 30: (ambulance...) let's go guys keep it tight (3 secs or so), same at 57-58, tight right on 58 45: we stand on this field ready for battle []*2 1:30 where I was 40 years ago...[don't] spend another, don't [spend] another minute being angry saints and soldiers (chrome work netflix): 15: is the squarest guy I know...[he's] from some little backwards, [] he's from some little 30: flirting with the girl at my dad's store...[] what's her name*2 45: music...basically second footstep, first footstep, end of first footstep 1:15: kendrick's dead 1:14:56-7 1:30: "copyright 2003...all rights reserved" is about in the middle, maybe barely above jonah if you watch it all the way through 30: my uncle [was] a big star VLC jonah_edit.tmp.mpg 15: (on camel) do not fight, do not cheat [wash] your hands 30: can count on to deliver his messages [] yes well 45: the duck surfaces [right before big grin] mplayer jonah_edit.tmp.mpg 15: (on camel) do not fight, do not cheat wash your hands [before] you eat 30: can count on to deliver his messages [] yes well 45: between duck surfacing [] big grin forever young 30: netflix: some running at 29:50... MPlayer git-20100211-1-g1c6846f-Kovensky-mt (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team can play dvd:// and dvdnav:// with seeking at the beginning without crashing...[because old, maybe?] mulder's: http://mulder.googlecode.com/files/MPUI.2010-10-17.Full-Package.exe crashes like normal [dvdnav only] smplayers seem to always play dvd:// so never crash [?] the internet seems to "not tell me" if transcode's avisplit is frame accurate or not. watching a DVD "from the new DVD ISO" in smplayer seemed to have the right audio always. yep. i.e. transcoding from dvd flick fixed it [probably] previewing section on HP 2 hours or so and the first thing overlapped the muted section in error...went too long...huh? call ffmpeg -i C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.fulli_unedited.tmp.mpg -vcodec copy -acodec copy -ss 7260.0 -t 10.499 C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.1.avi call ffmpeg -i C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.fulli_unedited.tmp.mpg -vcodec copy -acodec ac3 -vol 0 -ss 7270.5 -t 1.499 C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.2.avi call ffmpeg -i C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.fulli_unedited.tmp.mpg -vcodec copy -acodec copy -ss 7272.0 -t 3.999 C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.3.avi resulted in sectors of 13.17 1.93, 5.03 instead of 10.5, 1.5, and 4. huh? with FFmpeg version SVN-r19313, [BAD VERSION probably] call ffmpeg -i C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.fulli_unedited.tmp.mpg -vcodec copy -acodec copy -ss 7260.0 -t 10.499 yo.1.avi with r32676 seemed much more sane (!) $ to fix mplayer out of sync audio: $ ffmpeg -i HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.fulli_unedited.tmp.mpg -target ntsc-dvd -t 1600 yo.mpg seemed to be as good as adding a harddup via mplayer. except...umm...VLC can play it right so why can't mplayer? Hopefully all doesn't matter [?] ffmpeg "copy copy" on HP fulli seemed to not have audio when that was replayed via mplayer. monsters inc. overlaps at 25 minutes, 50'ish, 70, "when they land" and there's like 30 'select scenes' (chapters) in that time frame... bob "they will come" has no mplayer overlap (45 minutes long) HP 2 "full and edited version" had a twidge off of audio even in VLC (unsure if that was copy or lavc audio) seems consistent The DVD (flick) burned, then played, appeared to have audio in perfect sync, always. seems to play fine in smplayer the fulli version was *totally off* in smplayer fulli, edited version had some artifacts in VLC fulli version had perfect audio in VLC audio looks barely off VLC for the whole thing mplayer (updated) playing dvd:// (bob) can't seek if past 30 minutes or so (pause/hang) mplayer (updated) playback, if it ever goes off the screen, chokes and hurles and dies (or if it goes under a window that is always on top). an edl with (updated mplayer and) dvdnav:// (bob) results in a crash when seeking the first few seconds, at least. Seeking using the "forward 10, back 10" works in mplayer console, also works (!) with smplayer (+10, back 10). Also edl works *perfectly* when playing from the ripped file. There is only one break in cars DVD. A:3756 Is it the same in other large DVD's? so certainly, mplayer's edl playback is broken currently, for DVD's. if I change the mute to 2:13, then it works [!], though probably doubly. "enable dvd menus" in mplayer doesn't seem to help with seeking weirdness in smplayer smplayer edl against cars DVD *fails* on later ones (1:05), but succeeds on 15:00, mute-wise. Like epic fail. also seeking totally fails: 58 -> 58 works (cars) transition to broken seeking:1:02:44 also always thinks its chapter 1 :) smplayer playing cars fulli (of some sort) seems to be a split second off, audio-wise smplayer on HP2 -> edited version (ffmpeg through mencoder) with oac copy, is off by an annoying split second when replayed in smplayer at other times, it fails everywhere almost, sync-wise that "might" have been with HP and -oac lavc, but without harddup. or maybe it was -oac copy VLC plays the audio splendidly on the same. plays well from DVD, though. Just that one file isn't playable with mplayer... how does EDL fit into all of this, though? also note that mplayer originally couldn't cut right because of audio (with oac copy, I believe) ffmpeg said that the huge HP grab was always 48 minute duration [?] (then proceeded to work right) edl *fails* with HP at the 2 hour mark, audio. The audio did seem to line up, at least, with their lips. and if it's video--fails the same. Seems to think it's at second 2678, or minute 44, not minute 120? smplayer on bob pets pickle and baby has sync'ed audio with oac copy in general, if it starts sync'ed, smplayer stays in sync all the way through got av_interleaved_write_frame(): Operation not permitted on call ffmpeg -i C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.fulli_unedited.tmp.mpg -vcodec copy -acodec copy -' ;?Pss 749.0 -t 4109.999 C:\HP_AND_THE_CHAMBER_OF_SECRETS_edited_version.5.avi then it passed (reading off the "old fulli" with poor audio) when did it again. huh? out of disk perhaps?? edl works *great* with cars at 15 minutes, and appears to at an hour, too. Oh, and the audio matches perfectly. The kicker is that if I want to watch the "unedited all" option in mplayer (which I do for the "quick start" mode), then it needs to be as is... audio_codec = these_settings['audio_codec'] || 'lavc' # not copy...sniff...or you can't hear cars...as ffmpeg loses it on transfer [?] at least the intermediates you *cannot* hear. HP with edl (only) seriously fails at the 2 hour mark, even with 5 seconds added, or seems to, at least. windows media player is able to playback the "fulli" that mplayer gets out of sync on (lavc audio), at least with cars. mplayer dvd://23 -dvd-device e:\ -edl C:\Users\packrd\AppData\Local\Temp\mplayer.temp.edl seems to play with audio in sync always, with cars (now with potter...) what if you grab with "full" audio...does it make its way back out to the DVD? what does dvd flick do audio wise? without harddup smplayer got audio video out of sync playing DVD, as well as playing ripped files, however when you wrote those to DVD, they seemed to get back in sync. ffmpeg, perhaps, is/was fixing them? fulli with lavc audio and video: mplayer cannot play it back right, but if it's re-encoded with mencoder first [? or is it ffmpeg?], mplayer seems to play it fine then. Thin ice here... if I pull from dvd with -acodec lavc (basically downgrade to stereo), then ffmpeg can extract to avi with sound. otherwise (cars only), it lacks sound *only on computer players* Note that mencoder cannot have an endpos on a dvd. Weird. Note that dvdflick "appears" to encode correctly even if the size is too big, as in it just encodes it "lossy-y" The encoding actually appears to be fairly high quality, that dvd flick does, video wise, at least. ffmpeg -i bigg.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy bigg.reindexffmpeg.mpg resulted in a sound with no audio I got bigg trying to combine (mencoder ?) two large files. I think bigg has honestly messed up audio, no reindexing seems to help it, at all.